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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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we are live on kgr digital broadcasting

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kg r a um

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dan was late oh you can absolutely slate

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uh all you know breaking the fourth wall

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straight away here so welcome everyone

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to the show tonight we are live we are

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actually live this is not recorded i

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can't even prove how we're live kinda

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there's no way we have made related

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doing that right now i mean i can i'll

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i'll hold the clock up there you go

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that's that's the time in the uk so we

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are

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nice to do this live finally it's good

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to see everyone in the chat as well

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thanks for everyone who's been coming on

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board the kgra shows um really excited

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to have you at g west long time listener

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first time watcher um listen i have

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shaved folks so apologies i look like

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this but is what it is um

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dan and andy you've lost so many days

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dreams let's go fellas nigel how we

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doing kyle um lots to talk about it's

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been a very busy time in the world of

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europe boys it's been a busy week it's

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been busy days there's a lot to catch up

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understand what exactly is going on uh

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in the senate right now if i'm even

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getting that right is it the senate is

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it the congress it is the senate yeah

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uapx on what they're working on

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instead um but yeah loads to get through

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uh dan what's your week been like

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something we could go on about we've got

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the actual projects that they go in

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through i'll post a link to my twitter

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later um so you can see how far away

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because if we're looking super far away

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that we think is an earth-like planet

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chat there hi lu

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galileo wants telescopes again to look

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out into the solar system you've got the

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james webb which is going to look out

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and it just seems we've got this

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incredible search into the universe

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again for life

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but we're also

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having huge conversations yes we are

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live louise yep for a change

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he's amazing we're also having these

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conversations that are these things here

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already what could be here so we have

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these two incredible extremes of the

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same conversation going on at the same

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time

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what do you think dan is more likely

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that we're going to get first something

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out there or something closer to home

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well i've just got to back up here

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because someone just said something in

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the chat that is absolutely true

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uh it sounded like when i was talking

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about the james webb telescope a second

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ago that we would get photographs like

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we would think of like photographs at

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the park that's not the case what i was

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doing was jumping a little bit to think

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wow if there exists life in an infrared

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kind of frame on another planet and

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they've built a civilization we will see

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that with this kind of technology so

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yeah it's it's

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really paradigm shifting sorry what was

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the question

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do you think we're more likely having

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given the fact that we're looking out

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into the universe for life and we're

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looking here for life do you think that

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we're going to get

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the answers out there first or do you

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think we're going to find out more about

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what might already be here or closer to

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home

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i

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what we're about to move on and talk

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about as well with the senate updates

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that we've got a lot of different fights

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and a lot of different fronts um and

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hopefully at one point they become less

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of a fight as well that would be great

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and and more of a collaboration with

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everyone else so so yeah listen senate

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updates dan my head is spinning with us

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and i i'd love to see people's thoughts

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in the chat as well here um on this

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because i come to you for all this stuff

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i'm seeing the updates online um dean

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johnson has been fantastic can i can i

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just push you just just because someone

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just put something in the chat and and

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maybe think of something uh they said

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let's hope uh in fact oh no i can't pull

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her up lord bass said let's hope james

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about telescope doesn't need a mirror

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replacement before it can take clear

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images like hubble so what happened with

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the hubble is that its focus was off and

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they can correct it they had to send

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people up to correct it with the james

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webb telescope they've thought of this

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each mirror has its own servo that can

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focus the mirror so if they do have the

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same error they can fix it like that

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this time it's very cool

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awesome yeah no kill thanks for that

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yeah i can put the questions on for you

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dan we'll get that sorted for next time

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and we'll give dan a bit more power if

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with the like i was saying d dean

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johnson fantastic at keeping us up to

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date with the senate progress congress

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all the political stuff that i just my

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head spins with it and i'm sure i'm not

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the only one um jazz shaw has been

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fantastic with that as well dan you have

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been brushing up this week on your

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political uh tweets and keeping us up to

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date what is going on what has got us to

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this point for a start if you can kind

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of summarize that

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so first first thing i'd say is that i'd

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advise everyone to go to the con

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congress website um i think it's

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congress.gov

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you can basically if you sign up for an

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account you can put in a search term and

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you can follow certain bills um

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so this week i basically took the time

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to set up all the search terms

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and now i get notified when anything the

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uap happens or unidentified aerial

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phenomena because you have to you know

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you use certain terms um and there's

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also a daily congressional record that

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gets published and it tells you

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everything that kind of happened the

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previous day and that's where the

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amendments have been published um so

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every day i've kind of been on antenna

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hooks waiting for the congressional

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record to come out so i could see and

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compare the language um

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it's really cool website and you should

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absolutely use it because it's there for

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for us to follow along i guess um but

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yeah so

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oh what's that

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so we basically had two bills

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um

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one that came down as i like to say one

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set of train tracks and one that came

394
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down another saturn track uh the one

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we're looking at now sorry let me back

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up um

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the earlier bill was s2610

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um

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that later became hr5412

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that came from the

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senate intelligence committee that was

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the first thing we heard about after the

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uap task force preliminary report came

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out

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that later on from uh from left field

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came hr350

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which is the national defense

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authorization act um ruben gallagher

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put some amended language into that um

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that had to do with some biological

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effects but it wasn't you know extensive

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language it was just i remember in the

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community we were all shocked to see

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that biological aspect in there because

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we all wanted that in there um

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and then since then a number of

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amendments have been tabled um this week

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we've gone from essay

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4281

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to

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and no doubt everyone else there because

422
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marco rubio sponsors it now

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we also had a few other co-sponsors

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um roy senator roy blunt senator lindsey

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graham too um so it's really getting a

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lot of bypass and support

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um and what's gonna happen with these is

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at the moment in the senate they're

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adjourned and they'll come back tuesday

430
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and they're gonna be talking about the

431
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ndaa

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that is the galago language um that he

433
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put in there so if the ndaa gets passed

434
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that's the language that goes through

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now

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it doesn't become law until the

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president signs it and until then you

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have various committees that can kind of

439
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talk about things and work things out

440
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and it's likely that it's in those

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committees that senate's gillibrand's

442
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amendments will be pulled into the main

443
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language before it goes on to the desk

444
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of the president basically we have about

445
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five different trains on five different

446
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train tracks now which is great

447
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considering we had zero a few years ago

448
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back and we've got to load all the cargo

449
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onto a single train that's where we are

450
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right now

451
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where do you think it's going i'm not

452
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gonna lie i find a lot of that really

453
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boring the political side of things and

454
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it's when you look at it as i'm

455
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:39,040
interested in one specific thing in

456
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terms of the language of ufos uap on

457
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these bills but it's lumped in as part

458
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of a huge defense act and i think that's

459
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one thing when you come in like myself

460
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,160
from the outside and you look and go oh

461
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they're not just discussing ufos they're

462
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discussing all this other stuff and this

463
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is in there as well and like yeah that's

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right

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we've got the uap media group chat that

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we have and everyone was excited to hear

467
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it brought up and i think i've seen it

468
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mentioned that i made the point it

469
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almost sounds like we don't want this to

470
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have any attention or unwanted attention

471
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we just want it to pass through as part

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of the belt and just and just get there

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and as much as we like it to be shouted

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about and and hear the language and hear

475
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it talked about on those kind of live

476
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streams politically it's almost better

477
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that that doesn't happen and we just get

478
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this through for for the progress to be

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made further on is that fair enough yeah

480
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absolutely and i'd say if it goes

481
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through without contention and

482
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discussion as well like if everyone just

483
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agrees on it that speaks volumes to me

484
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absolute volumes

485
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everyone argues over you know

486
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,840
watching the center stream this week

487
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people argue over the smallest details

488
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and everyone argues you know with

489
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passion and conviction everyone you know

490
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is is there to do a job

491
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but

492
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to see

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no one bring up and have an issue with

494
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the uap language for me was you know so

495
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:01,360
far not bringing up anyway for me for me

496
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was astounding

497
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you know it's almost historical and

498
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there was one moment where uh bernie

499
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sanders quoted the eisenhower speech

500
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about the military industrial complex

501
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and i know a lot of people connect that

502
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with ufos and i just thought there was a

503
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nice little synchronous moment

504
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uh listen nigel brings up a good point

505
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okay um loves the brits are in support

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of the

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gillibrand amendment

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but we've got bugger all going on in the

509
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uk parliament and recently i don't know

510
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if nigel if you saw this or anyone else

511
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but there was a brief discussion with a

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few of our politicians here in the uk uh

513
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our politicians in the uk aren't as

514
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famous the discussion's not necessarily

515
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as sexy as it looks like in the us um

516
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it's just it's quite boring and not many

517
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:45,679
people pay attention to that kind of

518
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side of politics over here so the

519
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the the conversation was had with a bit

520
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of a tongue-in-cheek wasn't it and it

521
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was was it baroness goldie i believe it

522
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was yeah

523
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was one of the names and one of the

524
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gentlemen put forward the notion that

525
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,200
look what's happening in the u.s the

526
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conversation about ufos is being had and

527
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you know as it's something we're

528
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interested in and essentially it was

529
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,880
traditionally poo pooed it was laughed

530
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it was scoffed at no we're not doing it

531
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yes it's not something we have an

532
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interest in

533
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and it was very much the flying saucers

534
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,080
little green men no interest to us here

535
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,240
in the uk let's move on and that's

536
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exactly what happened um so yeah nigel

537
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,440
we feel your frustration and we we've

538
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got the group uap media uk which i hope

539
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,000
everyone gives a follow online even just

540
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,919
sharing and helping you look at what

541
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,400
what ucr do with the big phone home

542
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:36,000
we are nowhere near something like that

543
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in the uk that would fall flat on its

544
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:40,880
face because there's no appetite for

545
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,360
that conversation we need a catalyst to

546
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happen here for the mainstream the

547
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general public for for journalists to

548
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,840
pick it up um as part of uap media that

549
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,280
the guys there adam goldstack graham

550
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,440
rendell dave partridge vinnie adams dan

551
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,360
and then myself you know we're trying to

552
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,120
engage with other figures we're talking

553
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,200
to journalists here in the uk trying to

554
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,200
get them to write serious articles about

555
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,280
it and trying to get some proper quotes

556
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,799
in there trying to get them to stop

557
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,039
using some of the more

558
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,440
out their names they go to in the uk

559
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:12,080
describing people as alien hunters i've

560
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,520
made a point and i've said this to the

561
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,360
group that i don't want to refer to as

562
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,280
alien hunters or anything like that in

563
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,520
any articles it really really annoys me

564
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,360
so again it's just trying to change

565
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,520
little little bits and pieces at a time

566
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,280
um but it's a bit of a slog but it's

567
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,440
been great to see recently some people

568
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,799
online sharing that they're still

569
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,480
writing um

570
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,400
to their local politicians right to

571
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,720
their nps and it's probably better in

572
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,720
the uk and has more of an impact that

573
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,960
they're writing rather than emailing or

574
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,120
or telephoning does the extra expense

575
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,640
that comes with buying an envelope and a

576
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,480
stamp and everything but if they go to

577
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,799
uap media dot uk there's templates and

578
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,720
stuff online there which they can follow

579
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,400
just to try and get a little bit of

580
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,240
momentum going but we're always behind

581
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,120
the us but i think the more this

582
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,600
carries on that wave of momentum that's

583
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,679
happening right now that the harder it's

584
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,840
going to be for it to be avoided and

585
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:03,679
neglected as a conversation here in the

586
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,559
uk

587
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,679
yeah 100

588
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,039
the

589
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,880
i don't think i'm spoiling it i'll just

590
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,640
say one thing from the the interview

591
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,000
with john

592
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,720
uh it surprised me to hear that the us

593
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,640
has an agreement with the uk that they

594
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,360
do not take satellite images of the uk

595
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,799
because they don't take satellite images

596
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,480
of their allies whether that's one of

597
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,080
those things that they do on the on the

598
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,320
sneaky um i don't know but i thought

599
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,240
that was interesting because

600
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,440
it means that you know the uk has pushed

601
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:32,960
recently to have its own kind of

602
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,559
satellites up there um and it hasn't

603
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:38,240
gone especially well

604
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,840
so i'd wonder what success rate we'd

605
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,159
have again any kind of imagery of uap

606
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,640
through satellite imagery um i imagine

607
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,360
the us's capabilities it's hip-hop and

608
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,159
probably you know in one of those 2015

609
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,559
encounters within seconds they probably

610
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,440
had you know satellites overhead i i do

611
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,200
not believe for a second that just

612
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,679
because the us has said they would not

613
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,840
uh use their satellites to image the

614
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,919
image process on the uk or take pictures

615
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,760
of course they do they all do it to each

616
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,600
other as well am i right in saying that

617
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,679
they they weren't necessarily meant to

618
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,240
have a new clean material near reynolds

619
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,640
from our app rentals from two

620
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,559
yeah we know all this kind of stuff goes

621
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,640
on as well don't we it's um but it's

622
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,039
looking positive i think the with the

623
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,960
senate dan things have been adjourned

624
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,120
until what tuesday i think i read was

625
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,480
the last time

626
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,320
yeah and when they come back like i say

627
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,159
they'll be discussed in the ndaa so you

628
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,679
can tune in and watch that if you want

629
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,760
to the uap issue might come up if it

630
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:37,840
does that will be an absolute historic

631
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,960
first but like i said and like you said

632
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,720
it'll be better if it kind of just goes

633
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,039
through um because then that just means

634
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,400
that everyone's in agreement about what

635
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,480
needs to be done which is which is great

636
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,400
um i'd recommend everyone go read it

637
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,320
it's not that long language wise like

638
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,679
two way full

639
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,480
um

640
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,640
but the main thing of today's one is

641
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,559
that they changed the name of the office

642
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,000
so it's no longer

643
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,799
the anomaly surveillance and resolution

644
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,039
office it's now the anomaly surveillance

645
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,799
tracking and resolution office um which

646
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,120
gives it the acronym astro which i

647
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,280
thought was very fitting

648
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,200
which sounds better than azero because

649
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,200
if i say that really quickly that can

650
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,200
sound like a british slang

651
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,559
offensive word so yeah as well um yeah

652
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,080
yeah yeah

653
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,159
so yeah that's that's looking good and

654
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,360
we'll keep people up to date with that

655
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,679
one as well uh thanks for the breakdown

656
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,440
on that one dan hi to everyone else

657
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,039
who's joined in in the chat seen alison

658
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,159
come in um american road warrior hi uh

659
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,840
red panda koala who is coming on the

660
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,520
podcast soon we've got a date booked in

661
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,520
for that i will be announcing all the

662
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,360
the interviews upcoming soon i've

663
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,720
actually not said yet but we've got

664
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,279
michael mataloni from ucr who's going to

665
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,039
be coming on the podcast as well pretty

666
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,440
soon um who else have i booked in i've

667
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,919
got oh let me tell you let me tell you

668
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,760
here i i don't know what i'm allowed to

669
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960
say so

670
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:59,039
i just i don't even think dad knows them

671
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,480
all yet either

672
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,039
we have uh michael mataloni is coming up

673
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,360
really soon red panda koala

674
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,039
i've got mary rodwell coming on to

675
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,960
discuss the multi-dimensionals uh

676
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,799
documentary that's coming out frank

677
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,440
melbourne uh and dr michael masters all

678
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,000
coming up in the next month or so and

679
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,679
then one or two more to round off the

680
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,840
year as well so it's busy and we're

681
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,320
being kept going but it's it's getting

682
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,640
there we're uh we're constantly

683
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,559
interviewing everything else as well so

684
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,320
um thanks justin for for putting the

685
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,559
channel up there too listen we had an

686
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,640
update from gary verhees i recommend

687
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,080
when we're talking about uh subbing to

688
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,679
people's youtube channels we are really

689
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,679
grateful for everyone who does two hours

690
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,240
at that ufo podcast you've got uh

691
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,960
unidentified celebrity review you've got

692
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,240
project unity and there's all these

693
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,400
channels producing content one of the

694
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,400
organizations who is out there doing

695
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,320
work as well that has been a bit quiet

696
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,600
but they are working away in the

697
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,080
background is uapx

698
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
that is headed up by gary verges and and

699
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,400
his colleagues over there there's a lot

700
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,480
of people involved and i asked gary to

701
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,559
give us a quick update um he is looking

702
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,480
to do more lives and more updates as

703
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,000
well but they need more youtube

704
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,000
followers on his private channel so if

705
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,159
you check out gary voorhees uh we'll get

706
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,919
the link for that as well if dan could

707
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,000
you find that for us and we'll get gary

708
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,400
verhi's youtube channel but i asked gary

709
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,240
what was happening with uapx because

710
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,679
that's one of these independent

711
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,919
organizations that wants to study this

712
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,840
scientifically and really interesting a

713
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:25,600
lot of these gents have that military

714
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,880
background as well um so gary said that

715
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,960
they are working hard in post-production

716
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,960
on their documentary and they are

717
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,000
knee-deep in four plus terabytes of data

718
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,159
from their first expedition so there'll

719
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,760
be some interesting things hopefully to

720
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,440
come from that

721
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,960
i was going to say unpopular but

722
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,120
divisive character stephen greenstreet i

723
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,360
interviewed stephen and steven's a good

724
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,440
guy he's just been enjoying winding

725
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,279
people up too much i think and it's

726
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,720
taking a bit of a break it seems i don't

727
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,640
know what happened there but i i don't

728
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,400
start fights with people online but i

729
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,760
know a lot of people were unhappy with

730
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,360
steven's attitude and the way he was

731
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,679
talking about things but i interviewed

732
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,919
stephen about two months ago and at the

733
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:05,919
time he said he had spent a day with

734
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,600
uapx and saw something from them that

735
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,400
really

736
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,000
uh

737
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,919
renewed his interest and sparked his

738
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,559
interest again in the ufo subject and i

739
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,559
asked him what was it and eventually he

740
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,640
said he saw something that wasn't

741
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,000
pixelated

742
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,559
so it sounds like uapx with their

743
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,559
expedition with their equipment is

744
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,880
hopefully managing to get some images

745
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,679
some clear images of some ufos which

746
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,279
would be fantastic

747
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,039
again i think that's always going to be

748
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,600
debatable as to what is a good or clear

749
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,919
image um and again you could also get

750
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,520
the well why don't they just release it

751
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,600
just now let's wait and see what comes

752
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,960
out and especially if they're going to

753
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,440
put it in into a documentary it would be

754
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,200
interesting to see what comes of that as

755
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,039
well um

756
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,480
something that gets labeled a lot of

757
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,080
documentaries that come out as there's a

758
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,559
lack of new evidence or no footage well

759
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,000
if it was really that good it would

760
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,919
probably get released but let's wait and

761
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,600
see what you apx do what are your

762
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,919
thoughts on organizations like you apx

763
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,279
then

764
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,279
i mean they're

765
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,360
they're on the frontier right now right

766
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,520
like in terms of you asked earlier you

767
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,120
know are we gonna find something out

768
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,960
there or here

769
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,799
out there that's the james webb

770
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,799
telescope that's lisa that's the you

771
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,760
know the the vera ruben observatory

772
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,799
here we've got project galileo we've got

773
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,600
uapx we've got uap data

774
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,279
they're i i'm not even off one hand

775
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,200
they're counting them you know we we

776
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,520
need we need more organizations like

777
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,760
this we need to support the ones we have

778
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,679
um you know they might not be perfect

779
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,520
but like i said earlier we need to

780
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,840
figure out what tools we need to build

781
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,279
to correct this case because we

782
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,200
currently don't have them

783
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,559
let me ask you on that so you've just

784
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,320
said there you're counting on one hand

785
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,520
we need more

786
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,320
right now though does that spread the

787
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,720
the money and the funding too thin that

788
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,679
if we have 10 organizations all

789
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,039
trying to get

790
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,760
ufo images or scientific data or

791
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
whatever it may be

792
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:05,360
do investors have too much to choose

793
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,159
from

794
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,320
and it's or are we better having just a

795
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:10,080
couple of organizations that all work

796
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,279
together

797
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,520
i i think this is why you're seeing that

798
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,240
um project galileo's research affiliates

799
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,520
list grow

800
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,200
because all of these groups have

801
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,919
knowledge that each other needs

802
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,000
and we're not going to do like the

803
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,320
government didn't stove pipe everything

804
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,640
we're going to you know kind of

805
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,240
science is about having access to the

806
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,559
data and it seems like

807
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,000
they they're kind of setting off on the

808
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,990
it's one i keep an eye on and gary is a

809
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,720
great guy he he has um i had one of his

810
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,720
early interviews when i had my first

811
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,159
interview on the podcast was gary

812
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,559
voorhees um and i really think he's his

813
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,000
heart's on the right place with us as

814
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,120
well i do wish them all the very best so

815
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,039
so best of luck with you apx thank you

816
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,559
to gary make sure people you've checked

817
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,640
out gary verhees's youtube channel make

818
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,120
sure you follow upx on twitter as well

819
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,880
or your social media platforms just to

820
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,279
keep up to date with them too uh listen

821
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,039
we're going to get up there i didn't

822
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,840
mention the sky 360 as well they that

823
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,320
that's the new name for the skyhub

824
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,640
basically

825
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,000
yeah i was actually being asked about

826
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:17,919
skyhub by a listener the other day and

827
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,039
had it gone away and no skyhub didn't go

828
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,480
away the

829
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,120
the the members of skyhub basically had

830
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,279
a lot of time like many folks did during

831
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,720
cove that's when

832
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,640
everyone was stuck at home and people

833
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,799
weren't working and um

834
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,720
as covid oh god

835
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,000
let's not get into that conversation

836
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,000
about covert as going away because it's

837
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,799
not but as as people have gone back to

838
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,640
work and the normalities coming back

839
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,880
into people's lives all the guys at sky

840
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,880
hub found they had less time to invest

841
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,600
in in sky hub so very mutually it went

842
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,679
their separate ways um but uh steve

843
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,200
mcdaniel and some others are working on

844
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,039
various different projects

845
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:56,480
and you've mentioned there dan do you

846
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,080
know much more about um sky 360 well you

847
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,840
can go to the website um i'm pretty sure

848
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,559
it's just guy360.com um it's all there

849
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,440
uh you can see that they

850
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,840
actually the best thing to do is

851
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,200
i'll have supposed to link on my twitter

852
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,640
later because i'm not yeah yeah we'll do

853
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
that they have a youtube channel and

854
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,720
they did actually do a launch kind of

855
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:17,919
conversation where they spoke about

856
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:20,840
early goals and things like that um

857
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,919
so like i say it's pretty much sky hub

858
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,039
they're hitting the ground running

859
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,279
they're a great bunch of guys um i can't

860
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,360
share too much just because i speak to

861
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,000
rich who who kind of you know seem seems

862
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,840
to do a lot of the date today

863
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,399
um

864
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,760
they might be i'm doing some graphics

865
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:40,320
work for them um so i just don't want to

866
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200
you know

867
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,120
spill too much but they they're alive

868
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,880
they're kicking they're

869
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,120
coming back stronger than ever um and

870
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,520
i'm excited to see what they do

871
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,279
hi to kim who's just joined in kim is

872
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,880
one of the original patrons of the

873
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,360
podcast way back at the start kim is one

874
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,720
of the originals i think when i was

875
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,559
looking and going wow five people listen

876
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,640
today i think kim was one of those so

877
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,799
thanks to kim for for sticking with us

878
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,200
this whole time um just in the middle of

879
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,120
things before we move on to questions

880
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,880
just as an update you can sign up to

881
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,200
patreon.com forward slash that ufo

882
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,679
podcast and we're also now available on

883
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,399
spotify it's like 199 or two dollars

884
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,240
three dollars and you get access to the

885
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,480
bonus content the premium content and

886
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,159
the early access as well you don't have

887
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,000
to listen to me talk about advertisers

888
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,159
or sponsors you just have to search that

889
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,039
ufo podcast premium and it's on apple 2

890
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,360
with a two week free trial so um yeah

891
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,919
any support is absolutely welcomed and

892
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,200
do you know what i'll just mention this

893
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,080
quickly like again i saw i saw louis lou

894
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,039
on ucr had had to mention and and i felt

895
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,880
that he didn't have to do it and justify

896
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,960
why people were supporting him and why

897
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,720
people choose to support any content

898
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,360
creator it's people do this and it we

899
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,960
give up a lot of our time to do it and

900
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,600
all that kind of stuff so if you can

901
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,240
that's why people like luis and us have

902
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,159
patreon and all those kind of services

903
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,840
then do it but it's difficult times for

904
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,080
people and if you can't like like lewis

905
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,679
said on his show as well we're not going

906
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,000
anywhere this is still here free it's

907
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,360
just there's various different ways to

908
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,519
support but it's always appreciated when

909
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,000
people can support any content creators

910
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,640
however they can because we've got jobs

911
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,720
and families and everything else that

912
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,240
goes along with it so thank you for

913
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,840
sticking around and just even being here

914
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,320
to watch this is massively massively

915
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,240
appreciated so make sure you like

916
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,240
subscribe share leave reviews for your

917
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,240
favorite podcast favorite creators and

918
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,799
just interact because uh the

919
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,240
my favorite thing with having this

920
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,880
showdown is when people email which is

921
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,679
always amazing for me or or dm me to say

922
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,840
hi thanks love the show and and tell us

923
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,360
a little bit about themselves so that's

924
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,000
always very much appreciated and awesome

925
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,799
um so but listen we are going to go on

926
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,559
to some questions if anyone has some

927
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,360
questions in the chat then please put

928
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,919
them in for us we will answer them

929
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,760
we have some leftover questions that

930
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,320
were sent over for our luis elizondo

931
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,559
listener question show luis is

932
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,279
definitely coming back onto the show um

933
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,919
to do his part two follow-up but for now

934
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,120
we're going to go through some of the

935
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,279
questions that

936
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,880
being blunt we didn't think there was

937
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,519
any point of asking lou because he won't

938
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,039
answer them and we all know we're sick

939
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,519
of the nda stuff and you know a vague

940
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,399
answer so let's speculate okay so the

941
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,919
first one i'll give a shout out to

942
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,320
nathan from calling all beings who is

943
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,080
one of my favorite listeners um he is

944
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:27,600
going into play stan one day i've always

945
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,590
nathan's that he's cheaper he's the

946
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,679
co-host over on calling all beings who

947
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,519
right now are interviewing michael

948
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,600
mataloni so don't change that channel go

949
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,679
and watch that after this um but that's

950
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,120
with a dj san marco as well uh nathan is

951
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,799
a great great guy and has some

952
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,640
phenomenal questions the ways of wanting

953
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,120
and phrasing and everything as well um

954
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,120
he had asked if he could ask lou a

955
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,600
question he would want to know and then

956
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,960
have a listen because i want your answer

957
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,440
on this what you think in lew's opinion

958
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,200
if we are dealing with an intelligence

959
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,200
which we know or suspect has

960
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,519
capabilities we do not possess

961
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,079
see slide 9 what are some of the signs

962
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,919
or behaviors we would be looking for

963
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,760
from it which would increase or

964
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:13,919
establish trust that whatever it

965
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,200
presents to us as fact as indeed fact

966
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,200
just that and not some sort of

967
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,760
misdirection or falsehood in short how

968
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,240
do we trust the phenomenon

969
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,159
it's a really good question

970
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,760
a really good question

971
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,720
um i i was listening to

972
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,119
bledsoe said so uh the other day it was

973
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,919
ryan bledsoe's podcast um and the guys

974
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
were talking through chris bledsoe's

975
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,919
regression it was super interesting uh

976
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,000
we've heard chunks of it before uh we we

977
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,000
know chris's story uh richard dolan has

978
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,760
a great series of interviews with chris

979
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,440
and

980
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,359
there was a lot of it where you know he

981
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,919
he met figures that were very what

982
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,560
people would call lemon light i guess

983
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:58,880
um

984
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,750
and

985
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,280
i i kind of had that thought then i

986
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,520
thought you know what what if

987
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,839
the loving light is just

988
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,680
and we discussed it maybe last week

989
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,200
where we were talking about insects that

990
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,800
kind of disarmed through frequency of

991
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,720
their beaten wings uh they confused

992
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,920
their prey

993
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,520
what if it's something like that what

994
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,160
what what if it is just a

995
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,119
you know

996
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,040
a lie but not necessarily a lie what

997
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,720
just a natural ability that kind of

998
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,200
makes that happen you know um

999
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,520
i like that i don't know

1000
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,440
you mentioned the fish that has the

1001
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,839
light on the end of its head yes um

1002
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,160
most famously from finding nemo yeah

1003
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:36,000
where the you see the little shiny thing

1004
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,359
and you chase about the shiny thing in

1005
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,720
the darkness and look at the light

1006
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,960
that's really cute and it's interesting

1007
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,599
and we we go after it and then on the

1008
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,119
end of the light that you can't see in

1009
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,079
the darkness is this huge scary fish

1010
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,079
this huge scary monster this entity

1011
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,320
behind it that had an ulterior motive

1012
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,240
and showed you the shiny light

1013
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,480
but when you get there did you actually

1014
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,240
want to see what was behind the light

1015
00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:59,839
anglerfish yeah that's the one i was

1016
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,040
going to see anglerfish but yeah

1017
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:04,880
lanternfish yeah the finding nemo fish

1018
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,720
with a big light

1019
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,119
[Laughter]

1020
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,599
so yeah so that for me is and i think

1021
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,760
you hear things like dark forest theory

1022
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,160
and such as well and you wonder are

1023
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,400
there entities and beings out there that

1024
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,800
are presenting one image

1025
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,440
but on the other side of it and again we

1026
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,119
always have to go back to this but it's

1027
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,880
a little bit of that threat narrative

1028
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,960
because you don't know what's being

1029
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,119
presented in front of you

1030
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,200
you can't guarantee with so little being

1031
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,720
known about the subject

1032
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,520
that

1033
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,280
it's it's true and you know what if he's

1034
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,119
still here

1035
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,359
lou jimenez mentioned the other day in a

1036
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,480
conversation

1037
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,280
and he made the point uh and i i agreed

1038
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,720
and disagreed with different aspects of

1039
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,520
the whole conversation people had about

1040
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,920
the one source of evidence and he talked

1041
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,320
about testimony and testimony isn't

1042
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,640
enough for evidence and it goes back to

1043
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,440
why

1044
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,440
experiencers and we've done the

1045
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,839
experience or shows recently and i've

1046
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,119
just watched a multi-dimensional

1047
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,800
documentary which we'll get to reviewing

1048
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,040
at some point

1049
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,280
it's a fascinating story there's some

1050
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:08,720
harrowing stories there's some really

1051
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,640
interesting stories there's some amazing

1052
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,880
ideas that come from these but just

1053
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,280
because someone comes out and says

1054
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,200
i've had this experience is not enough

1055
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,000
to take that into into the mainstream or

1056
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,599
as enough to

1057
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,400
run full throttle with that conversation

1058
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,400
you need more than that and again sean

1059
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,320
cahill last year we'd on our um

1060
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,880
christmas show which was the room 101

1061
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,440
special and sean cahill said himself he

1062
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,520
would bin only having one source of

1063
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,599
evidence because you need corroborating

1064
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:42,160
data whatever that may be i suppose we'd

1065
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,359
be looking at the five or six

1066
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,680
observables now wouldn't we and just

1067
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,160
someone having that story isn't enough

1068
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,400
just someone having that that picture or

1069
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,880
video isn't enough anymore because we're

1070
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,280
getting that and people need more and i

1071
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,839
think that's for me you know part of

1072
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,000
that question from rk 44 there when do

1073
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,520
you think the critical threshold will be

1074
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,839
reached uh when the ufo topic becomes

1075
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,839
mainstream and everyday news

1076
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,920
i think it's going to be when we've got

1077
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,320
more data from different sources like

1078
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400
the james webb telescope if that can

1079
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,480
spot something in an atmosphere when you

1080
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,960
can go and chase after it you know or if

1081
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,400
we can

1082
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,839
you know we've heard about this this

1083
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,079
device or instrument that can measure

1084
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,440
uap that lou uh elizondo has alluded to

1085
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,920
here in the uh not in the uk on this

1086
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,760
planet that potentially there's a way we

1087
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,040
can detect these

1088
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,560
he's not came out and said exactly what

1089
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,880
that is yet but again if we could find

1090
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:36,640
that out and we can actually detect

1091
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,440
these

1092
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,560
objects and some of them are going to

1093
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,920
come to us in one of these other

1094
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,920
questions i think that could be really

1095
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,359
interesting and that's when it becomes

1096
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,440
mainstream that we potentially are

1097
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,599
seeing these things regularly and

1098
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:49,440
something that all mainstream scientists

1099
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,240
want

1100
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,119
is that repeatability and proof ability

1101
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,760
when we can start baiting these objects

1102
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,839
if indeed baiting's the right word

1103
00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:00,160
then again i go back to that angler fish

1104
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,119
analogy

1105
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,560
we're baiting the light and it's all

1106
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,680
yeah look what we've pulled out the

1107
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,920
water yeah but we heard about the tic

1108
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,440
tac but we also heard there was

1109
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,280
something huge underneath the water the

1110
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,359
tic tac was buzzing about are you going

1111
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,560
to start pulling other things out the

1112
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,320
water that we don't necessarily want

1113
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,680
which is a

1114
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,599
a scary thought and it's all goes back

1115
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,119
to threat and and everything else as

1116
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,680
well so so yeah i've ranted on a bit

1117
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,280
there but it's a really interesting and

1118
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,920
ideal subject to be fair i like it and

1119
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:28,000
and i like the i like the water analogy

1120
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,359
because

1121
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,680
we are about to step foot into this big

1122
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,160
pool you know um

1123
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,119
if

1124
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,200
our scientists are correct and we can

1125
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,520
warp space-time in the ways that we we

1126
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,960
seem to think we can um

1127
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,359
and the math seems to say is possible

1128
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,400
then

1129
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,560
there's going to be suddenly a lot more

1130
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,920
species out there and around us than we

1131
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,200
knew about

1132
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,440
so we really are jumping into the the

1133
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,119
deep end of a pool and we best have our

1134
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,680
wits about us when we do uh better safe

1135
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,079
than sorry i believe it's the saying

1136
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,599
yeah and there's jazz making the point

1137
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,359
even with data how can you interpret the

1138
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,280
intentions and motivations of a totally

1139
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,920
alien intelligence you can't

1140
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,400
again we've seen the the old v tv series

1141
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,200
where you end up living with another

1142
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,520
alien species on this planet and there's

1143
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,200
hybridization but it turns out they had

1144
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,440
ulterior motives and there was something

1145
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,680
you know nefarious behind it you don't

1146
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,520
know it's one of those things i think

1147
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,200
time will tell but

1148
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,720
do they even experience that time the

1149
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,319
same way we do so

1150
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,880
did you ever watch um annihilation it

1151
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,920
was a film with natalie portman um where

1152
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,960
basically

1153
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,560
some kind of alien thing had crashed on

1154
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,240
the planet and there were teams being

1155
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,240
sent in and it was called the shimmer

1156
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,680
and

1157
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,079
the way that we think of aliens in films

1158
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,839
um was that

1159
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
annihilation was nothing like that and

1160
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,800
it kind of presented the question of

1161
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,880
what if they came here and

1162
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,119
they were just informed that we truly

1163
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,839
could not get our heads around it was

1164
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,359
just something that we just couldn't

1165
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,520
understand no matter how hard we tried

1166
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,400
ever

1167
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:07,119
and it just makes you wonder doesn't it

1168
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,920
yeah

1169
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,480
question from silly humans um given what

1170
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,560
you've just said than silly humans

1171
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,119
will the gillibrand's amendment truly

1172
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,200
force the ic or intelligence community

1173
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,079
to fully respond to azeroth or astros

1174
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,800
requests for instance will it compel uh

1175
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,640
special access programs and waived

1176
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,520
programs to comply or still say asro

1177
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,599
doesn't have any to know i would jump

1178
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,200
straight in with this and i know people

1179
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,119
far more qualified than me would be able

1180
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,960
to talk about at length but there's

1181
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,480
still that level of

1182
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,160
just because they have to doesn't mean

1183
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,079
they will

1184
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,240
and that's where i would answer that one

1185
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,800
you're not wrong but we have to get the

1186
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,720
language into the lord that holds them

1187
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,200
to accountability if we can't point at

1188
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,880
something and say look you're breaking

1189
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,040
the law by doing this then we don't have

1190
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,280
a leg to stand on and this is the

1191
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,720
platform we're giving ourselves with

1192
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,119
this you know some people arguing that

1193
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,240
it's not enough and i say it's a damn

1194
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,359
good start

1195
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,359
um yeah you know they they might not

1196
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
give it up but if according to the

1197
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,000
letter of u.s law

1198
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,400
they are breaking the law then it

1199
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,960
becomes a very different conversation

1200
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,800
and it's something that you know they

1201
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,800
can they actually have a means to start

1202
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,640
prying open

1203
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,760
yeah

1204
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,079
nigel a question just for fun what if

1205
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,720
this technology is ours but it can't by

1206
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,880
its nature be weaponized and like the

1207
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,880
process of propulsion negates the use of

1208
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,950
what if the technology is ours nigel

1209
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,319
is that right am i reading that wrong

1210
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,720
then it's from what is this that it

1211
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,880
can't buy it's hp weaponized that that's

1212
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,880
interesting i one i mean

1213
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,560
humans are very inventive we we

1214
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,640
recognize almost everything we find you

1215
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,880
know uh

1216
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,800
just watch group of kids in the past you

1217
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,200
know they'll find weapons on the ground

1218
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,640
let me make the point and this is where

1219
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,960
i look at something like the tic tac if

1220
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,680
that was chinese or russian or us

1221
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,160
technology it's it's end game in the

1222
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,079
sense that if you have a tic-tac that

1223
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,480
can fly the speeds it can fly at all you

1224
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,640
would have to do is load it with some

1225
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:12,800
nuclear warheads and you could literally

1226
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,640
have a tic tac over beijing or over

1227
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:19,280
moscow or whatever

1228
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,079
yeah

1229
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,200
um

1230
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,960
and then you could weaponize it so yes

1231
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,720
the propulsion but all you would have to

1232
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,720
do is load it with some nuclear material

1233
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,079
and there would that would be a huge

1234
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,680
threat to those other nations and i

1235
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,119
think that's when you talk about the

1236
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,119
race for this technology and that's

1237
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,119
absolutely why china russia the us

1238
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,200
everyone else would want it

1239
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,480
unfortunately

1240
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,800
but that's why i don't think it's it's

1241
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,720
it's us russia or china i don't think

1242
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,880
it's human it's not our technology

1243
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,599
because for me that would be an end game

1244
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,079
because once you've got that it's it's

1245
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,880
you can't fight against that can you

1246
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,720
no and and

1247
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,400
it's kind of sweet that you think it

1248
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,040
needs nukes um

1249
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,960
it could just crash into the ground you

1250
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,880
know a tiny

1251
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,280
meteorite going a certain speed or i

1252
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,119
should say any material going fast

1253
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:10,079
enough can can leave a hell of a crater

1254
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
um

1255
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,880
and the tic-tac would be no exception to

1256
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,480
that and i'm not even getting to what it

1257
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
would do with warp in space-time you

1258
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,000
know if there was a way that it controls

1259
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,640
the energy output from how it does that

1260
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,960
and it just kind of dumped that energy

1261
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,359
as a weapon then

1262
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,440
you know you you'd be looking at you

1263
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,359
could probably take out a planet with

1264
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,760
that to be honest uh it would definitely

1265
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,880
disappear

1266
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,760
um

1267
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,480
so yeah there's a whole i mean

1268
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:38,000
there you go i've just invented a bunch

1269
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,720
of

1270
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,680
weaponized ways to weaponize the tic-tac

1271
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,280
there's another interesting follow-on

1272
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,520
from carl um hi carl again supporter of

1273
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,520
the podcast good to have you um if

1274
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,680
gravity modification technology is

1275
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,680
consequentially associated with time

1276
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,760
modulation i'm really proud of myself i

1277
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,599
know what it means is that a good enough

1278
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,359
reason to suppress the technology in

1279
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,000
physics for me yes we discussed this a

1280
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:02,000
while ago down i think on one of the

1281
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,280
what what

1282
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,400
episodes

1283
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,200
talking about if we got disclosure today

1284
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,720
everyone assumes that tomorrow we're

1285
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,720
going to have flying cars and we won't

1286
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,640
need aircraft anymore or fossil fuels it

1287
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,720
would take a long time to replicate or

1288
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,560
try and replicate some of these

1289
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,960
technologies yeah but then it's the idea

1290
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,680
of okay we drive about in cars and buses

1291
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,319
and trucks and lorries but

1292
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,839
like carl says

1293
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,079
can we then upgrade those to having

1294
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,839
whatever propulsion systems these may

1295
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,079
have that we are all of a sudden flying

1296
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,160
about in the skies like the jetsons

1297
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,319
because i just don't see us suddenly

1298
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,440
having that leaping technology

1299
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,960
it would be interesting to see what

1300
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,440
people did with it this is kind of why i

1301
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,200
one of the first things i do if i met an

1302
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,440
alien species who had been watching us

1303
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,440
um i'd love to know our true history of

1304
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,200
things because

1305
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,800
the first person to find this kind of

1306
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,880
technology has a choice if you can mess

1307
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,640
with space time you can go back in time

1308
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,400
and if they can go back in time they can

1309
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,160
just loop themselves and make what

1310
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,960
they've made better every single time so

1311
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,640
while you know the rest of us are just

1312
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,079
going about our days this person just

1313
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,480
lives in kind of a technology lab bubble

1314
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,359
so to speak um and you know they

1315
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,960
essentially have infinite time to do

1316
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,520
what they want to do in that case so all

1317
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,839
bets are off really and

1318
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,760
you know i say that's a choice that the

1319
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,760
first person has to make but the second

1320
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,040
person to find it has to make that

1321
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,800
choice as well and i just wonder you

1322
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,640
know all the species that

1323
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,640
come across this technology how do they

1324
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,000
choose to use it

1325
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:31,520
you know they gonna

1326
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,960
go help save planets or are they gonna

1327
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,839
go

1328
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,079
really smoothly take over planets

1329
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,240
without anybody knowing about it

1330
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,280
you know

1331
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,359
we are into our last 10 minutes and this

1332
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,440
is flown by um

1333
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,440
questions to get through um so let's try

1334
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,720
and get through some of these or as many

1335
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,960
as we can it's sin since one of us it's

1336
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,359
our first live as well we we have a few

1337
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,680
thank yous to say we have g west uh give

1338
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,599
a five dollar donation

1339
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,359
um super chat

1340
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,560
um and luis jimenez uh twenty dollars

1341
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,480
earlier and jazz sure twenty five

1342
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,480
dollars earlier um

1343
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,640
amazing thank you jazz has actually been

1344
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,800
kind enough to donate something to the

1345
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,640
raffle that i'm super excited to share

1346
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,240
soon and it's amazing

1347
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,920
we will finish talking about the raffle

1348
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,440
on that um but let's get to these

1349
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,559
questions so a pontificator given an et

1350
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,400
can manufacture designer bodies for

1351
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,079
different tasks and the same is true of

1352
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:26,319
their craft can we trust anything we

1353
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,910
i mean

1354
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,359
is that question from before isn't it

1355
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,200
though again how can you trust an alien

1356
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,440
intelligence like jazz you can't because

1357
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,880
you wouldn't know

1358
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,800
we i i'd recommend the person that asked

1359
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,800
this read the three body problem because

1360
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,520
the alien species in that in particular

1361
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,240
messes with the physics on earth around

1362
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,680
us so that we can't progress our

1363
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,400
technology um i won't say much more but

1364
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,400
yeah go go read it it's an interesting

1365
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,319
question based on that book i'm showing

1366
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,400
you this as if it's like mines to sell

1367
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,920
you know like it's not just my copy

1368
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,599
you're not having that that's the way it

1369
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,079
is yeah i still need to read it at some

1370
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,160
point um actually there's a really

1371
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,559
interesting bookmark dan and if you

1372
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,400
remember when we were in london there's

1373
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,440
something i've got in there that i'm

1374
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,599
using as a bookmark so i better keep

1375
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,839
that inside if you if you know what i'm

1376
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,680
talking about

1377
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,400
yes um so of course

1378
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,200
it can be weaponized yet uh g west again

1379
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,960
thank you for that uh question for

1380
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,119
elizondo and his interview on teo he

1381
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,800
mentioned the moon being a potential

1382
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,960
place for an alien artifact was that a

1383
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,800
breadcrumb or a hint

1384
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:33,520
i

1385
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,079
was exposed to um

1386
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,920
i think there's probably a lot of stuff

1387
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,440
that lou doesn't know that people would

1388
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,359
assume he does but then there's probably

1389
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,960
a lot of stuff he does know that he just

1390
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480
doesn't get asked about and doesn't talk

1391
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,559
about because it's stuff we don't even

1392
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,160
think or comprehend potentially um yeah

1393
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,680
i i think lou when he's talking about

1394
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,280
the moon he's he's doing that for a

1395
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,119
reason

1396
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,559
that's just my opinion

1397
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,119
i mean lou is acutely aware of some of

1398
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,760
the mysteries of the universe uh in in

1399
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,760
london i spoke to him about fast radio

1400
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,720
bursts uh which was interesting uh my

1401
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,040
theory was and it got shot down so you

1402
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,040
know i don't mind pouring out there my

1403
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,480
my theory was that to ask whether the

1404
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,240
signs of a fast radio burst that we were

1405
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,000
seeing could be

1406
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,680
signs of a propulsion system that we

1407
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,720
don't understand yet um and it was a big

1408
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,720
fact now but it's always worth asking

1409
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,400
the questions and it was an area that i

1410
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,160
didn't think i'd ever discuss with louis

1411
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,599
alexander

1412
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,920
um question we've kind of touched on but

1413
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,599
we can clear up the answer

1414
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,119
how deep do we think the rabbit hole

1415
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,720
goes what's the truth of what the us

1416
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,640
government knows and what the extent of

1417
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,440
the phenomena is i reckon they know a

1418
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,520
lot less than people presume but they've

1419
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,040
got a good idea

1420
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,800
i think they can sit down with a bullet

1421
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,440
pointed list and go well we think this

1422
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,079
we think this we don't know this

1423
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,240
we we are assuming this

1424
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,000
and it's like we we might have an idea

1425
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,200
where they're from we might have an idea

1426
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,200
what how some of the craft work we

1427
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,880
probably have some of the craft or they

1428
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,119
have some of the craft um but i reckon

1429
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,800
there's aspects of it that they are

1430
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,440
totally clueless on that they genuinely

1431
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,200
don't have an idea of and that's one of

1432
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,640
the big reasons

1433
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,240
it's so secretive and has been so

1434
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,960
secretive for 75 years yeah i agree

1435
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,640
there no no defense department is going

1436
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,359
to go in front of the the people and say

1437
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,000
that they they don't know they their job

1438
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,480
is to know because it enables them to

1439
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,800
protect the country and you know to

1440
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,319
protect the people who are doing that

1441
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,000
job um

1442
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,160
so yeah there's no way in hell that

1443
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,839
anyone from the government is just going

1444
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,520
to stand in front of people and say we

1445
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,119
don't know what this is about this

1446
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,079
paradigm changing thing um

1447
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,599
you know i i'm

1448
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,599
part of me believes that that that's why

1449
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,720
it was kind of

1450
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:50,079
put to the side

1451
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,470
um

1452
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,680
[Music]

1453
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,760
and that when they do have kind of a

1454
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,240
tangible explanation for what is going

1455
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,160
on we will hear it

1456
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,319
yeah jazz again thank you for that jazz

1457
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,760
said we've not been particularly

1458
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,520
responsible with our own advances in

1459
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,839
technology what would we do with alien

1460
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:08,160
technology would it be definitely

1461
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,599
positive thoughts

1462
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,839
i i don't think so i think it's that

1463
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,760
whole thing about people i think i've

1464
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,280
mentioned this before but i remember

1465
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,040
reading an article that when the

1466
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,280
playstation 2 first came out it may have

1467
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,440
been nonsense but they were so powerful

1468
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,680
that saddam hussein had bought 40 000 of

1469
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,160
them to build a supercomputer in iraq

1470
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,160
now i imagine

1471
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,319
yeah i i don't know how true that was or

1472
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,319
not but that just goes to show you what

1473
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,559
people are like same with the idea that

1474
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,640
all our phones batteries could be small

1475
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,800
nuclear powered devices

1476
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,880
and we would never have to charge them

1477
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,559
but people would blow them up

1478
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,040
and it would cause a lot of issues so as

1479
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,960
people can't be trusted unfortunately

1480
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,040
and i think we can see without having to

1481
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,559
go into detail the state of the world in

1482
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,079
2021

1483
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,680
and going forward that we're not in the

1484
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,760
greatest place to be be dealing with

1485
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,400
anything fantastic like that um i don't

1486
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,559
think it would be positive at all no dad

1487
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,040
yeah i agree if apple came out tomorrow

1488
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,800
with the tic tac and they were like hey

1489
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,640
it's ours look how smooth it is and why

1490
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,200
it's it's see you should have known um

1491
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,520
i i think there would be a lot of people

1492
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,839
just slamming themselves into quasars

1493
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,359
and black holes by accident and not

1494
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,800
knowing what they were doing and just

1495
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,440
using it for you know awful things we

1496
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,520
we'd have a new frontier race on planets

1497
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,040
and fight it with the planet it would

1498
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,160
just be

1499
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,480
yeah so slow and steady

1500
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,040
um similar communities what is your best

1501
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,040
guess of the disclosure timeline key

1502
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,119
milestones and end game

1503
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:35,839
right so over the last few months

1504
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,440
i've had the idea that with the galileo

1505
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,680
project and obviously james webb going

1506
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:43,920
up all that kind of stuff

1507
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,280
i think the most likely thing will be

1508
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,079
a slow confirmation i think that the

1509
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,760
government will kind of learn alongside

1510
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,319
us of the existence of other beings i

1511
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,880
think what we might get realistically

1512
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,240
is

1513
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,160
galileo project or something like the

1514
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,400
james webb or a satellite

1515
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,000
gets an image of something which is

1516
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,640
pretty definitive of a craft that isn't

1517
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,800
ours and that gets an official

1518
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,559
scientific announcement

1519
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,800
here here's an object we've picked up

1520
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,040
here it's pretty clear this is not our

1521
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,800
technology and i think you would have

1522
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,160
russia and china potentially come out

1523
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,319
and say yep it's not ours either

1524
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,960
but from there we might have a few years

1525
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,400
of nothing

1526
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,800
where we we say this is why we have to

1527
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,800
investigate it at that point you get

1528
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,480
mainstream science on the topic that

1529
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,240
might be one of the points as well

1530
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,240
mainstream journalism picks this up on a

1531
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,559
regular basis when it's a serious

1532
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,520
scientific endeavor and potentially you

1533
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,680
unite the planet a little bit and what

1534
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,280
is out there there's something else

1535
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,200
we've got a picture but we need to try

1536
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,800
and find where it's from where it's came

1537
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,800
from and maybe that gives us a bit of a

1538
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,359
slow burn but when we get that you might

1539
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,040
find it could be months or years that we

1540
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,400
get any kind of follow-up off the back

1541
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,680
of that as well that's just something

1542
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,119
i've kind of thought might happen

1543
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,440
recently what about yourself then

1544
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,640
yeah same uh it reminds me of um contact

1545
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:04,800
and how that happens you know we we have

1546
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,880
the knowledge that we're not alone and

1547
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,559
for years it just sits with us nothing

1548
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,720
happens um but it changes the whole

1549
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,559
species and i would agree that's what's

1550
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,760
gonna happen

1551
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,520
sorry nigel nigel's asking for a time

1552
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,440
scale so i will i will put this on

1553
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,040
record right i think in 2022

1554
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,440
i won't get silly with predictions i

1555
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,160
think we will get a video

1556
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,920
better than the three that we've had

1557
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,000
released so far

1558
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:34,240
i think we'll get something out there

1559
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,200
from

1560
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,359
either lou and chris and those guys or

1561
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,440
whatever but i think we'll get something

1562
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,280
else that allows us to get our teeth

1563
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:44,079
stuck into it a little bit um dan i've

1564
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,119
got to go

1565
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:47,440
wider and just say that i think by the

1566
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,599
time i'm 6b under i'll know what this is

1567
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,280
i mean that could be like next week you

1568
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,799
know

1569
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:56,720
assuming i live a long life

1570
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,240
yeah listen folks um we the 26 minute

1571
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,079
video adrian i thank you in the 23

1572
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,599
minute video unless you know about one

1573
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,559
that's three minutes longer um but yeah

1574
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,559
i don't think we get the 23 minute video

1575
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,280
no um for various different reasons but

1576
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,680
um yeah listen that that's all for this

1577
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,040
week um

1578
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,640
we'll we'll see if we can do this again

1579
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,240
live next week because it's been a lot

1580
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,240
of fun live yeah having the interaction

1581
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,079
thank you very much um yeah really

1582
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,640
really appreciate it listen folks again

1583
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,960
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1584
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,359
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1585
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,200
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1586
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,880
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1587
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440
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1588
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,440
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1589
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,119
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1590
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,880
early access to videos the full john

1591
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,280
ramirez part 2 is up there as well now

1592
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,079
on youtube as well as patreon apple

1593
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,599
spotify premium and all that kind of

1594
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,319
stuff as well but as ever just listening

1595
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,480
just being here just sending us an email

1596
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,000
and all the information's been scrolling

1597
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,160
down the bottom is greatly appreciated

1598
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,480
and in the final minute dan um what have

1599
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,319
you got on this week or what you want to

1600
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,160
promote the raffle potentially quickly

1601
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,480
yeah the raffle uh the the link was

1602
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,240
posted a little bit earlier but the link

1603
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,799
is go dot rally up dot com forward slash

1604
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,599
truth um you can win the highest bidder

1605
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,640
can win

1606
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,920
uh sorry

1607
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,640
the person who donates the most

1608
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,640
will get a thank you call personally

1609
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,200
from luis salazando um and the person

1610
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:22,960
who wins the raffle which is a random

1611
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,720
draw um will get a signed truth poster

1612
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,720
uh from lou himself

1613
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,799
yeah and it all goes to good cause to

1614
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,799
two charities not as we're not keeping

1615
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,640
the money it'll it'll go to charities as

1616
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,960
well so yeah thank you very much really

1617
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,720
much look forward to that we'll we'll

1618
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:40,160
keep i think you know what will we say

1619
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:41,520
right now dan that yes we will do

1620
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,839
another live

1621
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,200
next friday why not we'll be back here

1622
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,359
so any suggestions let us know we've got

1623
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,680
a ton of things in the bank as well so

1624
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,359
um we'll be back here live next week and

1625
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it'd be great to see a lot of you there

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as well and i've even got to use most of

1627
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,839
my questions that i had put down so

1628
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,599
yeah yeah yeah well i'd rather speak to

1629
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,839
people in the chat as well so listen

1630
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that is all from us i'm probably going

1631
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to get kicked off now so

1632
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dan thank you for your time

1633
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,559
thank you this is a pleasure

1634
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yep and thank you to kgra for hosting us

1635
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and again to everyone in the chat as

1636
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well see you next week folks

1637
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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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